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PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 5:30 am 
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How does a person become a trainer for company that make employees become a qualified worker ?. Sometimes this trainer is not in the electrical field at all and he trains EE and licensed electricians on voltage testing, checking fuses to be deemed a QW.

how does he become qualified ?

Its said being an electrician or electrical engineer does not make a person qualified, who else would you want to do troubleshooting in a plant envioment with voltages of 480 or higher a trained electrician or a person who has been deemed qualified by another person not related to electrical field as electrician or EE ?

It seems to me a company has more weight with nfpa70e then a EE or license electrician they have proven there knowledge of the electrical field when they were licensed.

I believe they need classroom training but field training by a non electrical worker is a mistake IMO. Thanks for listerning.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:35 am 
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At my firm we never have a person do electrical training who does not have a background in electrical work. The safety department may oversee the training in as much as they would select the trainer, make certain that every individual for which training was required attended and perhaps review test scores. A member of the safety department might even read some codes and standards and speak to other electrical professionals at other sites, maybe even other firms, to obtain a comfort level that our training was consistent with or better than what other major firms are doing. However, we have too many complex issues within this chemical manufacturing site to think that a single individual or department can have the necessary expertise in all issues related to safety.


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The qualified trainer scenario you are talking about is based on the premise that even though an electrician or an EE might have broad general training he/she might not have specific training on specialized equipment or procedures. On the other hand, a person who has training on specialized equipment or procedures can train others even though they lack the broader general knowledge of an electrician or an EE.
No let’s apply this principle to a different scenario. Conglomerated Health Care wants to train its surgeons on a new procedure. Rather than pay a full time surgeon to do the training, they hire me, an engineer, at a lower cost. They send me to a few intensive seminars, give me a snazzy trainer’s certificate and send me out to “qualify” their surgeons on the new procedure. Sounds pretty silly doesn’t it? :) IMHO, trainers should be professionals in their field of work with additional, specialized training.

Bob Ragsdale P.E.


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For states that have licensing, I would say that any person who has a license is qualified. The State recognizes that person as being qualified having completed an specified apprenticeship course and pass an examination. The exception to this would something very unique and outside the relm of typical electrical construction.

The concept of in-house training is at best arbitrary. A qualified person is one who 'we say is qualified'. ITs really a question of perception, you have a training program, training meetings, a trainer of some unknown background, and maybe a training exam. Did you cover everything absolutely needed - who knows.


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Qualification for driving a car does not ask a person about how it is built and how it works, but rather how to operate it safely.
There is nothing in 70e about electrical installation (physical construction) and electrical theory. It states that one must be familiar with the construction and operation of equipment
NFPA 70e qualification is not about being an Electrician. It is about recognizing a hazard and knowing how to avoid it.
The utilities have functioned this way for 100 years. How many Licensed Electricians do they have on the payroll ?
The permission to operate electrical equipment falls on the Facility Management. They need to be familiar with the OSHA regs and act on then before they let someone throw the switch.


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Totally agree, only my comments were regarding the statement,

...Its said being an electrician or electrical engineer does not make a person qualified....

I say in States that have a licensing program, the State has accepted that individuals experience and examination of proof of their training and has issued a license, thus rendering them 'qualified'.

We can argue that they are not, like we can say there are drivers on the road who should not have been licensed, but until the State revokes the license, that person is considered trained and accepted.

Without some for of 'certification' by some mutually agreed consortium of industry or government - the qualification of an employee as being 'trained and knowledgable' is all a matter of opinion and conjecture.


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Put aside specialisd equipment . Lets talk about the work most electricians do with mcc, panel boards and such. Why would a company hand over a electric safety training to a non electrical person instead of a engineer or some other educated electrical project manager? These non electrical guys have no clue when it comes to working hot , they sign the energized permit in a drop of a hat. Use the word loadcenter instead of circuit breaker box like they are used to and they have that deer in the headlight look. Just sayin !


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