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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:54 am 

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We have two electricians and three qaulified electrical workers who are not electricians . The company uses the Qw for mostly loto cases. When there is an electrical problem when troubleshooting is involved I believe the electricians should be the people to do the work. The qw who by the way are maintenance men are called by management to do the work when the electricians are busy.
I know for a fact that they are not really sure how even starters, relays work .
Is there a section in70e where it states anything on troubleshooting and the type of Qw who should work at TS situations.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:47 am 
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According to the NFPA 70E, a “Qualified Person" is one who is trained and knowledgeable of the construction and operation of the equipment or the specific work method, and be trained to recognize the hazards present with respect to that equipment or work method.

Such persons shall also be familiar with the use of the precautionary techniques, personal protective equipment, insulating and shielding materials, and insulated tools and test equipment. A person can be considered qualified with respect to certain tasks but still be unqualified for others.

I doubt your maintenance poeple are familiar enough with the construction and operation of starters and relays to be considered "qualified".


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2011 12:11 pm 
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What Zog said.

Plus, from a purely business perspective, it makes no sense to assign personnel to a troubleshooting task if they don't have the knowledge to find the problem and fix it.


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jghrist wrote:
What Zog said.

Plus, from a purely business perspective, it makes no sense to assign personnel to a troubleshooting task if they don't have the knowledge to find the problem and fix it.


You mean paying for someone to "fix" something over and over again when they don't know what they are doing is not good business sense? lol...

To some extent, the old saying still applies.. "you get what you pay for".... At least that is what I have seen when people start comparing electricians... lol..


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I see this all the time where the maint men convince their boss that they can do the job. With the boss being behind schedule he thinks he can catch up by using these men who swear they can do the job.
All he knows is if they get it to work it must be ok. Bosses don't know or want to know there is a difference in installation , troubleshooting work , loto and the QW and the electricians. Everyone is a QW but they have to relise there is a difference with a QW with 10 yrs in electrical field and QW with 10 yrs in maintence field. Just my view on it.


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toolbbin wrote:
I see this all the time where the maint men convince their boss that they can do the job. With the boss being behind schedule he thinks he can catch up by using these men who swear they can do the job.
All he knows is if they get it to work it must be ok. Bosses don't know or want to know there is a difference in installation , troubleshooting work , loto and the QW and the electricians. Everyone is a QW but they have to relise there is a difference with a QW with 10 yrs in electrical field and QW with 10 yrs in maintence field. Just my view on it.


I agree .

In my state you must be licensed to perform any Electrical work unsupervised so that is someone that has at least 5 years in the Electrical field and the 70E class is not that expensive and it counts towered or required school hours for each license cycle.


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toolbbin wrote:
Everyone is a QW but they have to relise there is a difference with a QW with 10 yrs in electrical field and QW with 10 yrs in maintence field. Just my view on it.


And what some need to understand is there is a difference within electricians that are Journeymen (or Journeywomen).. Electricians that have only wired houses would have some difficulty working in the oil and gas industry and the flipside of that can be said too.. Or someone who has worked in many dfferent plants has a different background than someone who has worked only in one plant..

When I was doing my fourth year school, there was a person in class ask me "How many houses have I ever wired?".. I replied "None.." He said "Well how do you know anything?" I asked him "How many gas plants have you ever built, as each site I have been on has a service, lights, switches and receptacles?" He said "None..." I asked "How do you know anything?"


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