It is currently Sat Apr 18, 2026 9:59 am



Post new topic Reply to topic
Author Message
 Post subject: modelling conductor bus rail - like for a crane
PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:27 am 

Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:53 am
Posts: 28
Attachment:
Conductor_Bar_2-updated.png
Conductor_Bar_2-updated.png [ 86.85 KiB | Viewed 2409 times ]


Any suggestions or experience modeling conductor bus bar / rail system used for mobile equipment - e.g. a hoist or crane - see photo above.

Horizontal Electrodes in Open Air - HOA? Even though the a large percentage of the bus is insulated (but would melt away during an AF incident).

Thank you for your thoughts!


Attachments:
Cat_02a_US_Insulated_Conductor_System_U10_Rev03.pdf [2.53 MiB]
Downloaded 360 times
Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: modelling conductor bus rail - like for a crane
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 6:24 am 

Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:53 am
Posts: 28
And more importantly - what to do about there being no enclosure other than a back wall to focus/direct the energy?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: modelling conductor bus rail - like for a crane
PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:00 pm 
Sparks Level

Joined: Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:32 am
Posts: 57
Location: Sioux Falls, SD
In what scenario is someone exposed to a possible arc flash event on these conductor rails? These are elevated and in my experience personnel are unable to get near them while performing any standard work task. A risk assessment would then identify the chance of exposure as none and therefore no arc flash hazard needs to be identified.

With that said, I have modeled crane rails many times to determine the arc flash hazard at the control panels located on the crane deck. One customer had several 100T cranes with rails spanning hundreds of feet and with multiple points at which the rails could be energized. I modeled each accurately and identified the point at which the crane could be positioned and the worst case arc flash hazard associated with it.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: modelling conductor bus rail - like for a crane
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2022 5:24 am 

Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:53 am
Posts: 28
jmoore284@gmail.com wrote:
In what scenario is someone exposed to a possible arc flash event on these conductor rails? These are elevated and in my experience personnel are unable to get near them while performing any standard work task. A risk assessment would then identify the chance of exposure as none and therefore no arc flash hazard needs to be identified.

With that said, I have modeled crane rails many times to determine the arc flash hazard at the control panels located on the crane deck. One customer had several 100T cranes with rails spanning hundreds of feet and with multiple points at which the rails could be energized. I modeled each accurately and identified the point at which the crane could be positioned and the worst case arc flash hazard associated with it.


That is what I want to do - to know the hazard at different points since even for LOTO and deenergized work proper PPE must be known/prescribed. Which electrode configuration did you use? Thank you for replying.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: modelling conductor bus rail - like for a crane
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:46 am 

Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:53 am
Posts: 28
I believe I was overthinking (or under-thinking) this - seems this is clearly a HOA application out of all the options.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
© 2022-2025 Arcflash Forum / Brainfiller, Inc. | P.O. Box 12024 | Scottsdale, AZ 85267 USA | 800-874-8883