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| Author: | Jim Phillips (brainfiller) [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
This week's question is straight forward. Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? Yes No |
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| Author: | PaulEngr [ Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
I'm blown away that there's even one NO answer. At one time I would have had to answer NO, too. Most safety departments don't understand that there are significant differences between electrical and general lockouts and that you can't mix and match. |
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| Author: | K. Engholm [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
PaulEngr wrote: I'm blown away that there's even one NO answer. The person probably works in an office and not in the field. |
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| Author: | Voltrael [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
PaulEngr wrote: I'm blown away that there's even one NO answer. At one time I would have had to answer NO, too. Most safety departments don't understand that there are significant differences between electrical and general lockouts and that you can't mix and match. I may have misread the question a little (not that it would have changed my yes at all). I was reading it as a lockout of electrical equipment (e.g. putting a lock on an MCC bucket.) Now I'm reading it as locking out equipment to do electrical work on it. |
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| Author: | JKlessig [ Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
I am not surprised by a "NO" answer at all. 2 of the 3 of us doing studies for the regional office I have responsibility for are not and never have been field people. Otoh I have my fingers in a LOT of pies, and still do some specality field work when it is called for, and have been involved in more LOTO than I care to think about in the last 45 years. I would imagine that may people doing AF studies are not people that go out in the field. I know one of our sister companies engineers are strictly forbidden from doing field work of any sort, including data collection. |
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| Author: | PaulEngr [ Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Have you ever performed an electrical lockout / tagout? |
I can easily accept that a number of people on staff doing an arc flash study are not field experienced. Although over time we've gotten away from this model (and it has cost business a significant amount of money), there is definitely a place for a draftsman, intern, or data entry clerk. For a given study there is simply a mountain of drawings and data that has to be entered. Similarly and just as important I see no problems with a field engineer, field technician, or just plain electrician gathering all the field data and photographic records. It should be obvious that the cost of having say 2 field engineers, 2 office engineers, and one project engineer is much higher than having 2 field technicians, 2 office draftsmen, and 1 project engineer. There is certainly a place for two draftsmen with no field experience. However this is vastly different from the structure that I've run into in many places where we have 1 field technician driving 1 or two local electricians feeding back to 2 draftsmen and 1 sales engineer and only the field technician has any experience at all. And the pay is so low that the company can't keep any good people on staff. Not to name names but all of the prominent distribution gear manufacturers that I've run into fit this description. So went end up with garbage in = garbage out. |
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