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How would deleting the 40 cal/cm2 reference affect your (clients) electrical safety practices?
No change - still prohibit work above 40 cal/cm2 42%  42%  [ 22 ]
No change - we already permit some work above 40 cal/cm2 10%  10%  [ 5 ]
Not sure - We'll have to evaluate the impact of the change 29%  29%  [ 15 ]
We will probably begin permitting some work above 40 cal/cm2 15%  15%  [ 8 ]
Something else - please elaborate 4%  4%  [ 2 ]
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 Post subject: If 130.7(A) Note 3 - 40 cal/cm2 is removed - Then What?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 9:27 am 
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Last weeks' question regarding the possible elimination of Informational Note 3 of NFPA 70E 130.7(A) and the 40 cal/cm2 reference in the 2018 Edition of NFPA 70E had very mixed responses. So, on to the follow up question.

Keep in mind, the goal is to always place systems in an electrically safe working condition for voltages 50 volts and greater when possible.

If the 40 cal/cm2 reference is removed in 2018, how will that affect your (clients) electrical safety practices?

No change - still prohibit work above 40 cal/cm2
No change - we already permit some work above 40 cal/cm2
Not sure - We'll have to evaluate the impact of the change
We will probably begin permitting some work above 40 cal/cm2
Something else - please elaborate


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 Post subject: Re: If 130.7(A) Note 3 - 40 cal/cm2 is removed - Then What?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:08 am 
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As a consultant, I am not in the business (nor an expert) to determine if 39.9 is safe or if 40.0 is dangerous (absolute life safety). I only report the findings and the standard. Until there is more defined I can only recommend what has been published.


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 Post subject: Re: If 130.7(A) Note 3 - 40 cal/cm2 is removed - Then What?
PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:47 am 
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It really depends on the time. There is a big difference between 40 cal/cm^2 over 20 seconds and 40 cal/cm^2 over 20 milliseconds.


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 Post subject: Re: If 130.7(A) Note 3 - 40 cal/cm2 is removed - Then What?
PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:15 pm 
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Larry Stutts wrote:
It really depends on the time. There is a big difference between 40 cal/cm^2 over 20 seconds and 40 cal/cm^2 over 20 milliseconds.


Time factor seems to be the best kept secret in arc flash. The issue of neglecting the factor in arc flash boundary calculations has been raised on this forum before, see topics below for more information:

http://www.arcflashforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3840
http://www.arcflashforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3822
http://www.arcflashforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=3648
http://www.arcflashforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=3540
http://www.arcflashforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=2221

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