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Have you/company/client put arc flash labels on any DC equipment?
Yes – Calculations 44%  44%  [ 17 ]
Yes – Table 130.5(D) 15%  15%  [ 6 ]
No 36%  36%  [ 14 ]
Not Applicable / No DC equipment 5%  5%  [ 2 ]
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 Post subject: Have you put arc flash labels on any DC equipment?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:58 pm 
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Thanks for all the responses last week. The DC question comes up frequently so it was time to show the world what people think. As a followup, this week’s question is about the actual DC arc flash labels.

Have you/company/client put arc flash labels on any DC equipment? **

Yes – Calculations of incident energy
Yes – Table 130.5(D) PPE Categories
No - We have not labeled any DC equipment
Not Applicable / No DC equipment

** You may select Yes to BOTH Calculations and PPE Tables if applicable.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:22 pm 
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The values in Table I are WAY off from typical DC systems. I've run through the calculations for a lot of different conditions and actually reaching a point exceeding 1.2 cal/cm2 is actually pretty rare with most practical DC systems. That is combined with the fact that most systems are <50 VDC and of the "high voltage" variety, the most common is 125 VDC. By way of example GE MD 600 and 800 series DC motors that go up to the MD824 as the largest have a steady state DC voltage of 90 VDC, albeit at a stall current of 6000 A and obviously the DC drives feeding it have an output limit of a little higher than that.

At the "high" end we get into for instance electrostatic precipitators (ESP's) that typically run at around 50 kV but the corresponding current is very low (milliamps) leading to very low arc flash almost without limit for shorting ot, even though it is designed to occasionally short itself, and runs very close to limits at times.


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Do you have experience with any 480 volt DC systems such as UPS batteries?


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:21 am 
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PaulEngr wrote:
The values in Table I are WAY off from typical DC systems. I've run through the calculations for a lot of different conditions and actually reaching a point exceeding 1.2 cal/cm2 is actually pretty rare with most practical DC systems. That is combined with the fact that most systems are <50 VDC and of the "high voltage" variety, the most common is 125 VDC. By way of example GE MD 600 and 800 series DC motors that go up to the MD824 as the largest have a steady state DC voltage of 90 VDC, albeit at a stall current of 6000 A and obviously the DC drives feeding it have an output limit of a little higher than that.

At the "high" end we get into for instance electrostatic precipitators (ESP's) that typically run at around 50 kV but the corresponding current is very low (milliamps) leading to very low arc flash almost without limit for shorting ot, even though it is designed to occasionally short itself, and runs very close to limits at times.


Most of our applications are mixed AC and DC. We do a lot of common-bus systems where we have the DC bus (typically around 650V) supplying the inverters in a system. We also do Grid Tie and power conditioning systems where we have the DC bus that may be as high as 1000V.

I always calculate both components and use the higher of the two on the label. It is typically the AC that is the higher of the two, but we do have some battery enclosures where the DC incident energy is the higher value (around 22 cal/cm^2)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:16 am 
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I feel you're missing one category on your survey. I have not put any labels on my equipment as yet but we are in the middle of completing calculations.

~Doug


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