It is currently Mon Apr 27, 2026 12:35 am



Post new topic Reply to topic

Do you plan on purchasing the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
Yes 58%  58%  [ 53 ]
No 25%  25%  [ 23 ]
Not Sure 16%  16%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 91
Author Message
 Post subject: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:24 pm 
Plasma Level
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm
Posts: 1736
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
Well, it's finally here! The 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584 - IEEE Guide for Performing Arc-Flash Hazard Calculations has been published and is available at: 2018 IEEE 1584

This week's question:

Do you plan on purchasing the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?

Yes
No
Not Sure

Comments are always welcome.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:37 pm 
Plasma Level
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 07, 2008 5:00 pm
Posts: 881
Location: Rutland, VT
Just bought it both pdf and printed!

_________________
Barry Donovan, P.E.
www.workplacesafetysolutions.com


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:41 pm 
Plasma Level
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm
Posts: 1736
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
wbd wrote:
Just bought it both pdf and printed!


Great! Quite a bit more complex.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:48 pm 
Sparks Level
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:00 pm
Posts: 271
Location: Toronto
I already have IEEE 1584 2nd edition draft 6. Any changes since then?

_________________
Michael Furtak, C.E.T.
http://arcadvisor.com


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:15 am 

Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:09 am
Posts: 8
Good job helping to get this published, Jim.

Wow, it's a bit pricey. The Excel calculators are available for free at https://standards.ieee.org/content/dam/ieee-standards/standards/web/download/1584-2018_downloads.zip. I couldn't find the test data produced by the IEEE/NFPA Collaborative. That was helpful as part of IEEE 1584-2002. Does anyone know if that will be available?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:33 am 
Sparks Level
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:00 pm
Posts: 271
Location: Toronto
tshort wrote:
Good job helping to get this published, Jim. Wow, it's a bit pricey.


you can find software program doing analysis based on the IEEE 1584 2nd edition, creating labels etc for a fraction of the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584. PM me if need an assistance finding it on the web.

_________________
Michael Furtak, C.E.T.
http://arcadvisor.com


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:46 am 
Plasma Level
User avatar

Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:00 pm
Posts: 1736
Location: Scottsdale, Arizona
tshort wrote:
Good job helping to get this published, Jim.

Wow, it's a bit pricey. The Excel calculators are available for free at https://standards.ieee.org/content/dam/ieee-standards/standards/web/download/1584-2018_downloads.zip. I couldn't find the test data produced by the IEEE/NFPA Collaborative. That was helpful as part of IEEE 1584-2002. Does anyone know if that will be available?


Thanks! As you know it was a massive undertaking involving literally a few hundred people over the years. Glad you were an integral part of it all.

Yes it is quite expensive (I had nothing to do with that :shock: ).

I don't know of any plans for test data etc. Pretty sure like the 2002 Edition, it will take a while for the industry to absorb all of this.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 12:31 pm 
Arc Level

Joined: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:00 pm
Posts: 630
No, since it should be included in our P&E subscription.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:19 am 
Plasma Level
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:08 am
Posts: 2178
Location: North Carolina
List price is "only" $784 for the PDF version (cheapest). That's only up what $184 over the previous 2002 edition? Over that many years I guess it's really not that much of an increase percentage wise year over year. Then again the 2002 edition was extremely high priced and in comparison this version isn't really that much higher.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:48 am 
Sparks Level

Joined: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:10 pm
Posts: 262
Location: NW USA
It is bothersome to me, to be a paying member of IEEE for many decades, and yet have to pay for these standards.

Also it is bothersome to me, that if a standard becomes adopted as what acts like a government requirement, to have to pay for these standards.

Finally, it is bothersome to me that many industry advocates influence these standards heavily in the direction of their product (moreso NFPA 70 than NFPA 70E) yet we have to pay for the standards.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:33 pm 

Joined: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:26 pm
Posts: 1
My company has a copy of P1584â„¢/D6
Draft Guide for Performing Arc-Flash Hazard Calculations.

Before buying the 2nd Edition of IEEE 1584, I would like to know what the differences are between these two publications.

Would someone please help?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:20 am 
Sparks Level

Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:38 am
Posts: 62
Location: Westminster, MD
vegemite wrote:
My company has a copy of P1584â„¢/D6
Draft Guide for Performing Arc-Flash Hazard Calculations.

Before buying the 2nd Edition of IEEE 1584, I would like to know what the differences are between these two publications.

Would someone please help?


SKM told me that there were no changes from P1584 D6 for the official release, as they developed the software based on that draft and it's applicable to the standard. I too have the draft 6 copy and don't plan to spend $800 for the official release, at least at this time.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:27 pm 
User avatar

Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2014 11:07 am
Posts: 8
Location: Ohio
I just checked,and the IEEE member price for the PDF version is $596, $745 for non-members. I guess two standards a year and you have your IEEE membership paid.

PaulEngr wrote:
List price is "only" $784 for the PDF version (cheapest). That's only up what $184 over the previous 2002 edition? Over that many years I guess it's really not that much of an increase percentage wise year over year. Then again the 2002 edition was extremely high priced and in comparison this version isn't really that much higher.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:12 pm 

Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:27 am
Posts: 16
And the price has gone UP?
Sometime in the last 7 days (between the time that I submitted a purchase request to my company and now that I am approved to purchase it) it's gone up to $613 for members now?
Anyone know what's up with that?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:41 am 

Joined: Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:08 pm
Posts: 1
tshort wrote:
Good job helping to get this published, Jim.

Wow, it's a bit pricey. The Excel calculators are available for free at https://standards.ieee.org/content/dam/ieee-standards/standards/web/download/1584-2018_downloads.zip. I couldn't find the test data produced by the IEEE/NFPA Collaborative. That was helpful as part of IEEE 1584-2002. Does anyone know if that will be available?


Is this excel available yet? I'm trying to get this, but I receive an error 404. If not, can someone send to me the file, please? I was doing myself an excel calculation based on the standard, but knowing that this file exist and is free, I wanted to see if it suits me and avoid a time doing this.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: Will you/company purchase the 2018 Edition of IEEE 1584?
PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 12:24 pm 
Sparks Level
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jun 10, 2009 5:00 pm
Posts: 271
Location: Toronto
mayanees wrote:
SKM told me that there were no changes from P1584 D6 for the official release, as they developed the software based on that draft and it's applicable to the standard. I too have the draft 6 copy and don't plan to spend $800 for the official release, at least at this time.


That's what I heard too. I've put the copy of draft 6 I"ve purchased before to the hopefully good cause by deploying Arc Flash Analytic version 6.0 software and universal web app for arc flash analysis.

Image

_________________
Michael Furtak, C.E.T.
http://arcadvisor.com


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 16 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
© 2022-2025 Arcflash Forum / Brainfiller, Inc. | P.O. Box 12024 | Scottsdale, AZ 85267 USA | 800-874-8883