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 Post subject: Why do Shallow enclosures produce a lower Incident Energy?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:54 am 

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In results calculated using IEEE 1584-2018 equations, I have noticed that Incident Energy values are lower for Shallow enclosures than for Typical enclosures (when all parameters except Enclosure Depth are identical). See the attached image for some examples.

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In past topics on this forum, members have commented that calculated Incident Energy will be lower for Shallow enclosures (see 2018 IEEE 1584 - Arc Flash and Shallow Enclosures and Implementing New 1584). Having looked closely at the Intermediate Incident Energy equation (Eq. 6), I can see why a lower energy value is generated.

What I would like to understand is why a shallower enclosure would in practice produce a lower Incident Energy. My simplistic understanding was that the larger the enclosure the more volume is available for the arc to disperse (and the effect of the arc would therefore be lessened) and conversely the smaller the enclosure the more focused the effects of the arc would be.

If anyone can shed any light, I would be very grateful.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Shallow enclosures produce a lower Incident Energ
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:41 am 

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I've also just read a statement in IEEE Std 1584-2018 Annex G (G.9.4) which that states that Incident Energy test results were higher for enclosures with depth <= 203.2 mm (8 in) than those of depth > 228.6 mm (9 in). Is that a typo?

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 Post subject: Re: Why do Shallow enclosures produce a lower Incident Energ
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:19 pm 
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w5m wrote:
In results calculated using IEEE 1584-2018 equations, I have noticed that Incident Energy values are lower for Shallow enclosures than for Typical enclosures (when all parameters except Enclosure Depth are identical). See the attached image for some examples.

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In past topics on this forum, members have commented that calculated Incident Energy will be lower for Shallow enclosures (see 2018 IEEE 1584 - Arc Flash and Shallow Enclosures and Implementing New 1584). Having looked closely at the Intermediate Incident Energy equation (Eq. 6), I can see why a lower energy value is generated.

What I would like to understand is why a shallower enclosure would in practice produce a lower Incident Energy. My simplistic understanding was that the larger the enclosure the more volume is available for the arc to disperse (and the effect of the arc would therefore be lessened) and conversely the smaller the enclosure the more focused the effects of the arc would be.

If anyone can shed any light, I would be very grateful.


It is more about the focusing effect of the sides. If it is a shallow enclosure, the bus would be much closer to the opening and therefore not as much focus from the sides. Great question.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Shallow enclosures produce a lower Incident Energ
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:21 pm 
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w5m wrote:
I've also just read a statement in IEEE Std 1584-2018 Annex G (G.9.4) which that states that Incident Energy test results were higher for enclosures with depth <= 203.2 mm (8 in) than those of depth > 228.6 mm (9 in). Is that a typo?

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Hum.... (official response :lol:)

I'm going to need to look into that one.


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 Post subject: Re: Why do Shallow enclosures produce a lower Incident Energ
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:41 am 

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Happy New Year Jim and many thanks for your responses.

I hadn't considered that the sides would have less of a focusing effect in a shallow enclosure. That makes good sense.

Thanks for looking into the G.9.4 statement.


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