It is currently Mon May 29, 2023 1:11 am



Post new topic Reply to topic
Author Message
ekstra   ara
 Post subject: Work in Manholes and PPE
PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:35 am 

Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:25 am
Posts: 33
Location: Titusville, Fl.
We are having a debate about what PPE is required when working in manholes. Are the Medium Voltage (13.8kV) cable splicers allowed to work in a manhole with category 1 (preferred) or 2 PPE to perform the splice even though there are other live MV cables in the area?

The manhole is inspected first wearing Cat 2 PPE and the Feeder Breaker relay settings are set low (hair trigger) for all cables within the manhole, prior to entrance for any activity.

The obvious problem we are having is not wanting to wear excessive PPE down in the manhole.

How have people been handling this?


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:54 am 
Sparks Level
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:27 pm
Posts: 54
Location: Texas
321Liftoff wrote:
We are having a debate about what PPE is required when working in manholes. Are the Medium Voltage (13.8kV) cable splicers allowed to work in a manhole with category 1 (preferred) or 2 PPE to perform the splice even though there are other live MV cables in the area?

The manhole is inspected first wearing Cat 2 PPE and the Feeder Breaker relay settings are set low (hair trigger) for all cables within the manhole, prior to entrance for any activity.

The obvious problem we are having is not wanting to wear excessive PPE down in the manhole.

How have people been handling this?


So what is the work that exposes the worker to an arc-flash potential?

If cutting into potentially live cables is the only hazard, in the case of a manhole confinement I would do that with a remotely operated hydro cutter.

After that no arc-flash hazard associated with their work would exist.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:52 pm 
Arc Level

Joined: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:49 pm
Posts: 519
Location: New England
The way I approach this is as follows:

1) There is always a confined space permit and and an electrical safe work permit.

2) electrician enters manhole in Level 3 with tic tracer to check for voltage.

3) If no live voltage found, electrician exits and then dresses down to Level 2, which is their normal attire, with only safety glasses and hardhat.

The thing to remember is that PPE is only for 'live' work or near live work. Inside the manhole there is no live parts, yes, there may be energized cables, but they are fully insulated for the service. A cable splicer is not exposed to any live parts and as such no PPE at all is required.

The same can be true for an electrician that opens a wireway in a MCc line up to take a amp reading, or pull through wire for another project. There are no exposed live parts in the wireway.

I am not advocating no PPE level, ie, you would not want to ever be in polyester clothing doing any electrical work. But you could be Level -1 or 0, or as we do normal work attire is Level 2.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:59 pm 
Plasma Level

Joined: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:58 am
Posts: 1103
Location: Charlotte, NC
321Liftoff wrote:
We are having a debate about what PPE is required when working in manholes. Are the Medium Voltage (13.8kV) cable splicers allowed to work in a manhole with category 1 (preferred) or 2 PPE to perform the splice even though there are other live MV cables in the area?

The manhole is inspected first wearing Cat 2 PPE and the Feeder Breaker relay settings are set low (hair trigger) for all cables within the manhole, prior to entrance for any activity.

The obvious problem we are having is not wanting to wear excessive PPE down in the manhole.

How have people been handling this?


Great question, I have agood solution, the last company I worked for did dozens of MV splices a day, so I had to research and devise a solution, granted it is not perfect, but it combines safety with workability.

1. Do all the manhole entering stuff that has nothing to do with arc flash (Confined space rigamaroll)
2. Don 40 Cal suit
3. Enter manhole, wrap other cables with arc flash suppression blankets
4. Exit manhole, get some air, don HRC 2 PPE
5. Re-enter, work in HRC 2


Top
 Profile Send private message  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 4 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
© 2022 Arcflash Forum / Brainfiller, Inc. | P.O. Box 12024 | Scottsdale, AZ 85267 USA | 800-874-8883