{"id":2690,"date":"2016-08-01T12:47:51","date_gmt":"2016-08-01T19:47:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/brainfiller.com\/?p=2690"},"modified":"2025-11-19T09:03:00","modified_gmt":"2025-11-19T16:03:00","slug":"pecertification-moved-from-ieee-1584-certification-thread","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/brainfiller.com\/es\/arc-flash-forum-update\/electrical-safety\/pecertification-moved-from-ieee-1584-certification-thread\/","title":{"rendered":"PE\/Certificaci\u00f3n (trasladado del hilo de Certificaci\u00f3n IEEE 1584)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Existe una larga y bien documentada lucha entre la NSPE como el &quot;brazo pol\u00edtico&quot; de la ingenier\u00eda profesional y varios grupos de la industria que pr\u00e1cticamente han hecho que la &quot;exenci\u00f3n industrial&quot; llegue para quedarse. Y hablando desde el otro lado, \u00bfadivinen cu\u00e1nto apoyo hay en la industria para obtener esa PE? \u00bfHay un aumento salarial o incluso fondos (y tiempo asignado) para tomar clases? Les dar\u00e9 una pista... lo he hecho. Adem\u00e1s, \u00bftiene alg\u00fan m\u00e9rito contratar una empresa de ingenier\u00eda en lugar de un &quot;consultor&quot;? Les dar\u00e9 una pista... lo he hecho. \u00bfY no garantiza una empresa de ingenier\u00eda por s\u00ed sola, dado que es una tercera parte por naturaleza e independiente debido a los requisitos \u00e9ticos de NCEES, que la mano de obra es superior a las dem\u00e1s? Una vez m\u00e1s, lo he hecho.<\/p>\n<p>Las respuestas, al menos desde mi punto de vista, son que nada de esto es una prueba de fuego. De hecho, a veces parece ser casi exactamente lo opuesto a una prueba de fuego... quienes no tienen certificaci\u00f3n reconocen el mayor obst\u00e1culo que deben superar y se esfuerzan m\u00e1s en producir un buen producto. Si alg\u00fan tipo de licencia o certificaci\u00f3n reduce significativamente el campo de posibles postores, tiende a convertirse en un &quot;club de viejos amigos&quot; y la calidad se va por la ventana muy r\u00e1pidamente sin incentivos de rendimiento.<\/p>\n<p>Y estoy de acuerdo con el sello de aprobaci\u00f3n en lo que respecta a la certificaci\u00f3n, eso es muy cierto. Sin embargo, incluso si el proceso de certificaci\u00f3n elegido es poseer un PE, en s\u00ed mismo eso tampoco significa nada. Como cuesti\u00f3n pr\u00e1ctica simple, no puedes obtener una licencia a menos que hayas trabajado como ingeniero para cumplir con los requisitos del trabajo. No puedes obtener eso a menos que trabajes bajo la cl\u00e1usula de &quot;exenci\u00f3n industrial&quot; o bajo la licencia de otro PE. Incluso entonces, si alguna vez has trabajado con empresas de ingenier\u00eda, entonces sabes que hay un cierto enfoque para hacer negocios con ellas. Est\u00e1n acostumbradas a un entorno en el que se produce papel para cumplir un contrato. Mientras la calidad del papel sea lo suficientemente buena para pasar la prueba y obtener otro contrato, ese es el est\u00e1ndar de calidad m\u00ednimo. Muchas empresas insisten en grupos de ingenier\u00eda externos o no tienen ingenieros en el personal y contratan a lo que pueden conseguir, por lo que el est\u00e1ndar de calidad es extremadamente bajo. As\u00ed fue como me sucedi\u00f3 a m\u00ed. Contratamos a una empresa de ingenier\u00eda para que haga la ingenier\u00eda para un proyecto. La empresa viene a m\u00ed y me pide que haga toda la investigaci\u00f3n por ellos. Lo escriben todo y nos lo pasan para que lo &quot;verifiquemos&quot;. Hicieron un trabajo de mierda, as\u00ed que paso tanto tiempo haciendo que lo hagan correctamente que es m\u00e1s f\u00e1cil hacerlo yo mismo. As\u00ed que el resultado final es que contratar a una empresa de ingenier\u00eda externa que se supone que reduce mi carga de trabajo en realidad la triplica, ya que en lugar de eso estoy haciendo toda la ingenier\u00eda y estoy haciendo toda la documentaci\u00f3n y tambi\u00e9n estoy pasando todo tipo de tiempo en reuniones, escribiendo correos electr\u00f3nicos, etc., para que la empresa de ingenier\u00eda obtenga cr\u00e9dito por mi trabajo. Tenga en cuenta que no es el 3% de las buenas empresas de ingenier\u00eda con las que tengo un problema. Es el 97% que hace los trabajos de mierda que en realidad me cuestan tiempo y dinero. El problema, por supuesto, es que esto da resultados y una y otra vez, los &quot;gerentes de ingenier\u00eda&quot; y &quot;gerentes de compras&quot; se creen esta basura. As\u00ed que una y otra vez me joden al tratar con estos idiotas. A diferencia de la empresa de ingenier\u00eda, yo soy el responsable de asegurar que obtengamos un producto de trabajo de calidad. Si no funciona, yo soy el responsable. Si no funciona, soy el que pasa las noches y los fines de semana lejos de mi familia (y de mi cama) en las trincheras con los chicos de mantenimiento para ponerlo en funcionamiento. Soy el tipo que tiene que trabajar con producci\u00f3n, capacit\u00e1ndolos para que sepan c\u00f3mo solucionar los defectos de dise\u00f1o y teniendo que explicar por qu\u00e9 no podemos gastar m\u00e1s dinero para arreglarlo correctamente. Ellos solo son responsables de generar horas facturables y una vez que se agotan los d\u00f3lares, se van y nunca m\u00e1s los llaman para el trabajo.<\/p>\n<p>Por cierto, una de las calificaciones que utilizo para las empresas de ingenier\u00eda es que leo sus curr\u00edculos. Si recibo tres p\u00e1ginas de contrato tras contrato y la persona no tiene ni una pizca de experiencia trabajando fuera de una empresa de ingenier\u00eda, el curr\u00edculo va a la papelera. No hay raz\u00f3n para molestarse siquiera en entrevistarlos. Nunca, jam\u00e1s, han tenido experiencia en hacerse cargo de algo y nunca la tendr\u00e1n, por lo que no tienen ning\u00fan incentivo para hacer nada m\u00e1s que facturar horas por un trabajo. Consiguieron el puesto de PE en virtud de la cantidad de dinero que aportaron a la empresa de ingenier\u00eda, no en virtud de la mano de obra. Y qui\u00e9n sabe cu\u00e1ntos de esos contratos en su curr\u00edculo resultaron en clientes insatisfechos. <a href=\"http:\/\/www.arcflashforum.com\/viewtopic.php?p=19173&amp;sid=207f834b999a900df1ad5c19df5fd9ce\" target=\"_blank\">LEER M\u00c1S<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>There is a long and well documented fight between the NSPE as the &#8220;political arm&#8221; of professional engineering and various industry groups which have all but made &#8220;industrial exemption&#8221; here [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":63,"featured_media":46440,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"elementor_theme","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_price":"","_stock":"","_tribe_ticket_header":"","_tribe_default_ticket_provider":"","_tribe_ticket_capacity":"0","_ticket_start_date":"","_ticket_end_date":"","_tribe_ticket_show_description":"","_tribe_ticket_show_not_going":false,"_tribe_ticket_use_global_stock":"","_tribe_ticket_global_stock_level":"","_global_stock_mode":"","_global_stock_cap":"","_tribe_rsvp_for_event":"","_tribe_ticket_going_count":"","_tribe_ticket_not_going_count":"","_tribe_tickets_list":"[]","_tribe_ticket_has_attendee_info_fields":false,"footnotes":"","_tec_slr_enabled":"","_tec_slr_layout":""},"categories":[66,100],"tags":[93,13,92],"class_list":["post-2690","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-arc-flash-forum-update","category-electrical-safety","tag-ieee-1584-certification","tag-jim-phillips","tag-pecertification"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.5 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>PE\/Certification (moved from IEEE 1584 Certification thread) - Arc Flash &amp; 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